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Debbie Lerman's avatar

Hi Robert (aka ?) - I'm messaging you here because the email listed for you on Brownstone bounced my message back. My name is Debbie Lerman and I'm a fellow Brownstone contributor.

I love your recent articles on Brownstone about BioNTech and Drosten and believe they are important contributions to the ongoing investigation of what actually happened w the international Covid response.

I have a few thoughts I wanted to get your take on:

1) I believe, based on your revelations and my own research, that Drosten is part of the international biodefense (military/intelligence/national security) cabal that was involved in creating SARS-CoV-2 and then destroying the world while making billions of dollars in response to it. (I'm not a believer in the intentional release theory -- I think it was an accident, but the response was still the same). His involvement in the PCR testing scheme, in my opinion, was part of a planned international biodefense response to the virus intended to terrify the population.

Anyway, I don't think Drosten is just a government bureaucrat. Is his potential involvement with national security/intelligence something you're interested in investigating? My German is OK but not good enough to read lots of websites and documents quickly, so I need help! I'm also interested in finding names of other potential biodefense cabal members in Germany and connections between them and U.S./other allies/China.

2) I also don't believe anything BioNTech or Pfizer say about the BioNTech product, nor what Moderna says about its product. So I think it might be naive to believe what you state in your latest article:

"But this had nothing whatsoever to do with the US government’s Operation Warp Speed, as Latypova suggests. On Sahin and Türeci’s account, BioNTech launched its own project to develop a Covid-19 vaccine, dubbed “Project Lightspeed,” already in late January 2020 – less than a month after the first Covid-19 cases had been reported in Wuhan and before the outbreak had even been designated a pandemic by the WHO! This was, moreover, roughly five months before the US government would officially launch Operation Warp Speed in May."

There is NO WAY Moderna started working on its vaccine in May. Also, as you point out, records show that BioNTech started one day after the SARS-CoV-2 genome was released -- but I'm skeptical even of that timeline! I think Drosten/German intelligence and people like Daszak and Callahan representing US intelligence were involved in, or at least aware of, the gain of function creation of SARS-CoV-2 so they knew, or at least suspected it had been released, long before the WHO declared the pandemic. And they started developing their vaccines long before anyone else.

(as an aside, I also think Drosten created his PCR test based on a sequence he got from the WIV, not on some made up SARS fragment as he officially stated -- although I guess that doesn't really matter since the sensitivity was turned up so fraudulently high).

The implications are mind-boggling: I think the BioNTech and Moderna "vaccines" were pre-chosen by the biodefense cabal for "success" and ushered through all the regulatory hurdles (or lack thereof) by the cabal, while it pretended to also support other companies' efforts by giving them money. It sounds to me like BioNTech latched on to Pfizer probably with help from the US national security/intelligence network so that the BioNTech product could be treated as a "bioterrorism countermeasure" the same way the Moderna product was -- which, in the US, means there is no oversight and almost no regulatory requirements (as per Latypova's findings). I'm also guessing it would have been much harder to get the BioNTech vaccine through German regulatory channels.

Another very curious and never addressed issue is the fact that the only two vaccines that "succeeded" were mRNA products. I don't think anyone can argue that mRNA was a promising respiratory virus vaccine platform, since it had failed for decades in producing safe, let alone effective, vaccines. But it was favored by the US biodefense cabal, including Fauci and his cronies, because they thought it could be quickly adjusted to work for any virus and provide their dream of a "bug to drug in 24 hours" medical countermeasure platform.

What do you think?

3) IMO, the most intriguing bit of info in Latypova's article is the CHINESE connection

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/the-role-of-the-us-dod-and-their?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Pfizer-BioNTech is really a 3-party R&D alliance: Fosun-Pfizer-BioNTech, and by “party” I mean that one of the three is the Chinese Communist Party. Fosun is a huge Chinese conglomerate that owns a large number of global companies, and its chairman Guo Guangchang is a very high ranking member of the CCP. It is curious that the US DoD awarded $10 billion (Pfizer’s Operation Warp Speed/DoD/BARDA contract) to a venture whose substantial equity (and IP) holder is the the Chinese Communist Party.

What's your take on that?

4) Any thoughts on Fuellmach and the Coronavirus Investigative Committee https://corona-investigative-committee.com/? Are they having any impact in Germany?

5) Any thoughts on/relation to eugyppius? He/she's the other source I have for good German pandemic info.

Thanks for letting me do this info/thought dump. There is so much to investigate and so few of us doing the work. I feel totally overwhelmed, so anyone in the trenches feels like a great friend!

Cheers,

Debbie

debbielerman@gmail.com

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Robert Kogon's avatar

Hi Debbie,

Thanks for your comment. Wow! That's a lot to digest. I'm a bit swamped at the moment, but will be back to you asap. One remark here in public: I know that Latypova and Naomi Wolff have been suggesting that there is some sort of tripartite alliance of BioNTech, Pfizer and Fosun, hence the CCP. But I think this is just based in a misunderstanding. The sponsor of this whole project has been the German govt, certainly not the Chinese. It's BioNTech's vax. There is no question about that. And BioNTech entered into two separate collaboration agreements, one with Fosun and one with Pfizer, for marketing it on different markets. There is no real relationship between Fosun and Pfizer: just parallel relationships between each and BioNTech. And, in any case, the Chinese govt does not want the mRNA vax: despite the BioNTech-Fosun agreement, it has never been approved for the mainland and it is clear that Chinese authorities have serious doubts about this technology. Outside of China, it is only BioNTech and Pfizer that profit from its sale. Fosun is not involved at all, just as Pfizer is not involved at all in China.

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Debbie Lerman's avatar

Good points about Fosun. Agree we need to focus on BioNTech. Wary of Wolff and Latypova’s claims that the vaccines were launched as population thinning weapons. That seems like an unsupported and unhelpful direction for investigation. In terms of who “sponsored” the vax development I’m interested in which part of the German government was in charge - I believe it was national security/intelligence/military and that they instigated — not just sponsored — the whole thing in coordination w US IC and military. Project Warp Speed was a military operation.

Having read about a dozen pandemic books by biodefense cabal insiders (e.g. Birx) and others who were clearly fed false info by the cabal — I’ve found you cannot trust anything they say. So the book about the BioNTech vax origins probably has a lot more lies than just the start date of the research. Great article on that today!

Look forward to hearing from you. My phone number is 267-879-1803

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Robert Kogon's avatar

Hi Again. Just coming up for air. I read your latest Brownstone piece too. The involvement (or direction) of NSC in C19 response and "quarantine-until-vaccine" are very interesting. That they would treat C19 as a biothreat or bioweapon, given what we know now and what we in fact knew very quickly about the fatality rate, is truly insane. I think that is very revealing re. the response. But on the German side, the C19 vax project as such and, more generally, the mRNA project was not a military project. It was a strictly mercantile project: economic warfare, if you like. And they definitely were not cooperating with the US, because for Germany and the EU economic warfare always implies economic war against the US. The same could be said for the economic implications of "climate change mitigation", but that's a whole other story. They were not cooperating with the US and the Moderna project, they were stealing the latter's stuff! I.e. intellectual property. That's the gist of the Moderna lawsuit against BioNTech, and actually Sahin does not try to much to hide it his book. Again and again, they are copying Moderna or trying to find out about Moderna's design from 3rd party sources (Barney Graham at the NIH). The way this gets presented in the book is that it was for the good of humanity. I guess the roughly $30 billion in profits that BioNTech has made over the last 2 years is just icing on the cake! I'll be back to you!

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Debbie Lerman's avatar

Very interesting. I hope we can discuss further.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Debbie Lerman: I felt privileged to read your open letter to EdV/Robert Kogon (whose identity seems as mysterious as Deep Throat's from the Watergate era).

So glad you reached out to him, as you are two of the writers/researchers in this area whose new work I'm always eager to read. I can imagine a collaboration could be fruitful. Thank you for your dogged efforts to uncover the Truth.

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Jean Marc Benoit MD's avatar

The Pfizer - BioNTech relationship is likely a vital key in understanding the early decision-making re Comirnaty. Looking at the emerging information about the military/countermeasure aspect of vaccine development, and the pre-existing relationship between BARDA and Moderna, as well as the role of BARDA in the accelerated timetable of Operation Warp Speed, is suggestive. As you’ve previously pointed out, BNT was closely aligned with German government in its inception, and presumably within the German government one will find a parallel quasi-military arm of public health which also viewed Covid and vaccines using the lens of “countermeasure,” with all the haste (and corner-cutting?) that is implied.

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Robert Kogon's avatar

A German reader on Twitter just pointed out to me that German military was involved in distribution of BioNTech vax in Germany. But I think military involvement was limited to that. If there was a grand design behind pushing mRNA and BioNTech - and I think pretty clearly there was in fact - it came from the civil authorities and mercantile interests certainly played a huge role.

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Jean Marc Benoit MD's avatar

The reason that military lens/contribution appeals to me is that Operation Warp Speed makes absolutely no sense from an FDA/drug development perspective, but is absolutely congruent with “biomedical countermeasures” approach. Also, US military has been interested in mRNA since 2010 or so.

It looks like Moderna and BioNTech were industry leaders in mRNA therapeutics leading up to 2020 - there is also the curiously titled name for their Covid project: Operation Lightspeed. I found little info on governmental partnerships but will bet that this was a public-private venture from very early on.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Thank you for setting the record straight on BioNTech's relationship with Pfizer at the outset of covid shot develepment/marketing. (Icannot bring myself to call it a "vaccine.")

I suspect the widespread confusion about which is the primary actor in this farce is deliberate, with BioNTech intentionally using Pfizer as a public shield.

P.S. Your use of the term "auto-hagiographical" in the Brownstone piece is perfect here. I would add, in a self-indulgent aside, that Tureci and Sahin are the perfect image of Bond villain evil scientists.

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Robert Kogon's avatar

Yup. Pfizer is certainly being used as a shield, but I don’t think anyone at BioNTech, least of all Sahin and Tureci, would have had the wherewithal to think up such a scheme. As I’ve said elsewhere, BioNTech is the industrial protégé of the German govt or, in the German context, better to say “state”. Public authorities having been holding Sahin’s and Tureci’s hands every step along the way. It was undoubtedly the authorities who had the idea to use Pfizer as flakcatcher. Same thing is obviously happening in a big way on the EU level.

Glad you like “auto-hagiographical”! I have to confess to have taken some satisfaction in that one.

Re Sahin and Tureci, to be honest, I don’t think of them as evil scientists. What strikes me in all the visual imagery of them is that they’re so incredibly *stiff*. They look so tense and uncomfortable, especially Tureci. To some extent, I think they are pawns and are totally out of their depths in the position in which they’ve been put.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

I appreciate your insight.

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